January 03, 2004

Info on Alex Lifeson's arrest

As most of you have probably noticed, I'm something of a Rush fan. You may also have heard that Alex Lifeson (legally, Alex Zivojinovich), their lead guitarist, was arrested New Year's Eve in Florida after a fracas with the cops. Since this is mainly a political site, I've not been posting about the situation here, but thought I'd at least post links to the information I do have, in case anyone's interested.

I run a Rush fan site named La Villa Strangiato - The Rush Fanlisting. At that site, I'm compiling a list of news articles and other information (including a link to some video footage of Alex answering questions as he's leaving the jail, comments from a Rush fan and reporter who lives in Naples and has been gathering information on the situation and the text of arrest reports for Alex's son and daughter-in-law who were arrested with him.)

Additionally, I've posted an Open Letter to Alex, his family and bandmates to let them know that fans are thinking about them and wishing them well during this time. The text of the letter itself is actually short (something of a miracle coming from me, you know,) but I think it gets the message across:

Over the years, you have given us so much joy with your music that you and your loved ones have become important to us as well, and we - your fans - want you to know that we are thinking of you in this difficult time and wish only the best for each of you. It is also our hope that this situation will be resolved quickly, fairly and justly for all involved, so that you can get back to your normal lives and doing what you - and we - love so much - your music. Thank you for all that you have given us over the last 30 years - here's to 30 more, eh? :)
If you agree with the sentiment expressed, I hope you'll consider signing it. I plan to leave it posted for a few weeks and then will print it out and send it to Anthem Entertainment.

There are a couple things I do want to mention. As much as I admire Alex, and will likely give him any benefit of the doubt, I do not feel that he should be given any special treatment in how his case is handled. I know that at least one of the charges carries with it the possibility of a substantial sentence, though hopefully the fact that this is a first offense (this guy's been a rock star for 30 years, and this is the first arrest for anyone in the band that we know of) might be able to help mitigate some of that (as it would for any other first-time offender under the same circumstances), but if this goes to trial, the trial is handled fairly and he's convicted, then off he goes. It would be a tragic end to what has been an incredible career, and not hearing him play again would be a huge disappointment, but if he did what he's accused of, he's going to have to face the consequences for it. I'll just hope they deliver fan mail in the state pen. *grin*

Secondly, I have to say that I am not impressed with the reporting coming out of the Naples Daily News so far. One of the local TV stations has posted the raw footage of Alex being interviewed as he's leaving the jail. John Henderson, the reporter for the Daily News who is covering the story, took some quotes from those interviews and reported them out-of-context in a way that might make Alex look worse to some people. That he did this once, of course, leads me to question if he's done it with other comments in these articles as well.

Unfortunately, most of the stories being carried by CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post and others through both the Associated Press and Reuters appear to have been taken largely from Henderson's stories.

Just so that you can judge how serious you think the "out of context" aspect is, here is what I noticed: In an article posted to the website after Alex was released from the jail, Henderson writes:

Asked whether he felt the arrest was fair, Zivojinovich replied: "Absolutely not. That is a matter of opinion. They didn't like the way we were dancing, apparently."
And here's the transcript of what was actually said according to the tape (I listened to it several times to make sure I have this correct):
Male Voice: Did you say you were treated unfairly at the Ritz? Did I catch
that right?

Alex: No. The question was "Was I treated fairly though out the whole thing"

Man: Right

Alex: meaning from here (the jail).

Man: Were you treated fairly at the Ritz with the arrest?

Alex: I think absolutely not. That's a matter of opinion.

Woman: They were saying that you guy were just out of hand...

Alex: They didn't like how we danced, apparently.

So what Henderson presents as Alex saying he thought the arrest itself was unfair was actually Alex saying he thought the way he was treated with the arrest was unfair, and then he tacks on the answer to a different question as if it were all made as a single statement in answer to one question.

I mention this because I was able to notice this example because I'd seen the tape. As I've mentioned here before, I consider presenting things in the proper context to be important, and if I were to catch this kind of a out-of-context representation in an article (even if the change of context worked in favour of the side I support - for example, since some of Paul Wolfowitz's quotes were presented somewhat out of context - making them sound more damning to the pro-war stance - in a Vanity Fair interview, if I need to refer to those quotes, I always refer to the DOD transcript of that interview rather than the Vanity Fair article, to make sure that context is not an issue ), I will generally try to avoid using that author as a reference for future posts, try to determine if quotes and statements in articles by the author are presented in the proper context before using them, or at least caveat it with a notation that I tend to take what this person says with a grain of salt.

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Comments

How can you believe anything that comes out of Florida? Whether you like the results of the 2000 election or not, it was an election travesty.

As regards the specific altercation...
Having grown up near an urban area, I know that big city cops take complete control and ask no questions. It's a tactic that serves well when it comes to subduing troublemakers, but it also has the effect of punishing non-violent offenders or seeming-to-be offenders with equal indifference. Perhaps Alex and his son were a bit toasted - it was New Year's for god's sake - but police should know how to de-escalate a situation not inflame it.

Posted by: Tom at January 5, 2004 10:34 AM

What we've been told so far really does sound COMPLETELY out of character for what we know about Lerxst, and I certainly have my own doubts about the official story - but I'm withholding judgement until we know more.

I was really glad to hear that there are security tapes that apparently captured at least part (if not all) of the incident, as that should help make things clearer (especially if they get leaked to the press so that we can all see what actually happened), and it's also good that there is an internal investigation going on at the sheriff's office because of Alex's broken nose.

I also think it's rather interesting that the cop who wrote up the arrest reports for Justin and Michele seems to be able to give details about how Alex allegedly pushed the other cop down the stairs and his spitting blood, but doesn't say ANYTHING about how Alex wound up on the floor at the bottom of the stairs with the cop or how he got his nose broken.

However it turns out, though, the whole thing is really sad. I feel so bad for Charlene right now. It'd be bad enough to have either your husband or your son having to deal with something like this, but both at the same time? That's got to be rough.

Posted by: kriselda jarnsaxa at January 5, 2004 11:36 AM

No way do I believe the "official" story of what transpired here. I've seen way too many overzealous cops bashing heads and making up some kind of BS story (that's called a stack folks) to justify their actions. I'm sure Alex was just another victim of an overbearing, out-of-control group of thug cops. That's right, I said it, and I think all cops are thugs. I don't trust them and I would never call them. They're worse than the mob. And now Alex knows. I've seen this before. I mean after all, wasn't the broken nose good enough? They (the cops and press) claim they had to use a stun gun on him. So, break his nose and stun him. Alex has no reputation of this sort of behavior at all. So I say cops/press = liars. Alex = victim of police state oppression. SCREW THE STATE!!!

Posted by: PMAC at January 5, 2004 12:43 PM

Good thing Geddy wasn't there. If his nose had made contact with the police officer's fist or any other body part, they would be trying to nail him with assault with a deadly weapon!

Sorry, I had to go there.

Posted by: gttim at January 5, 2004 10:19 PM

Good one, Tim! LOL!

Posted by: kriselda jarnsaxa at January 5, 2004 10:30 PM

The way these deals usually work is they'll pay a fine, maybe do some community service-- look for a free concert near Naples. He ain't going to prison over this.

The way I read the news article, junior was drunk and probably not using his best judgment. He got told to leave and made a scene.

The lesson here, and many fail to learn it--just watch an episode or 2 of COPS, when the law, security, or someone of authority says "get the hell out" that is YOUR opportunity to "get the hell out". When you hang around to argue your point is when it gets gnarly.

Posted by: GATA at January 7, 2004 05:50 PM

In all I read, I saw that Alex was hit 4 times with a taser, and his son twice. Looks like some cops got some new toys for Christmas and wanted to test them out. Absolutely ridiculous!

Posted by: gttim at January 8, 2004 10:45 AM

I think Alex was screwed. He did not deserve to be treated like that. Also, if Vince Neil can drive drunk and kill a person and seriously injure others, and not serve any time is ridiculous. They are saying Alex could face up to thirty years if convicted of these bogus charges. I say the Cops in Naples are a bunch of lying pigs. FUCK EM!!

ALEX IS INNOCENT!!!!!!

Posted by: Craig at January 9, 2004 11:08 AM

I've been thinking this through and it seems some of these posts are on to something when they comment that Alex has no history of this sort of behavior and that brutal police tactics are not the best for every situation. Alex is a public person and has had no history of assault, weapon possession, etc. There's no reason to treat him as if he was going to endanger some police officer's life and err on the side of caution by asserting their brutality. I guarantee you that if this had been a political celebrity there would have been far more discretion and courtesy involved.

Posted by: jkl at January 13, 2004 04:53 PM

From what I understand, the hotel security and the officers who responded to the call from the hotel had NO idea who he was until after the whole situation had calmed down. At the time of the actual incident, they thought he was just another party-goer and not someone who is at least somewhat famous.

Posted by: Kriselda Jarnsaxa at January 13, 2004 05:31 PM

Truth Hurts - you make excellent points, and those are some of the reasons why I'm not willing to dismiss the police version of events - especially since, so far, we've not heard Alex's side of the story. My feeling is that most likely, both Alex and the cops share some measure of the blame for how out of control things got. In regards to the spitting, throwing and breaking of noses - I have absolutely no idea how those occured, and until I get to hear both accounts, I don't really have anything to even use in making a guess.

What I know about Alex from what we've seen of his public persona does give me some doubts about the police version of events - but at the same time, you're right - alcohol can make people get pretty stupid, and I have a hard time imagining that the police are entirely to blame. There are some indications that this may end up going to trial - apparently there's not been much success in seeking out a plea bargain, though (if it's even true) who knows if its because they think they have such solid evidence that they'll be able to get convictions on the top counts or if they're wanting to avoid looking like they're going easy on a star - or even if they're just pissed at the abuse being heaped on them by "fans". It could be some, all or none of the above, really. I just really hope things will work out fairly for everyone involved.

Posted by: Kriselda Jarnsaxa at January 21, 2004 03:37 AM

Rodney King Lerxst? I will have front seats on every local venue on this tour, just so I can wear my "Alex is a Bad Boy" shirt.

Posted by: Aimee G at January 22, 2004 08:58 PM

Florida, alcohol and a "spontaneous broken nose", it doesn't smell right to me...

Posted by: m at January 31, 2004 10:49 PM

Just a comment as to what paul penske just wrote. Sounds like he has Big Al convicted before the facts come out just because Al is famous and wealthy. Penske and people with this prejudiced attitude have a small-minded mentality and are like a plague on this earth and should be erradicated. Civilization would be a much better place without people like this.

Posted by: d at February 7, 2004 01:58 PM

On the subject of the tazer .... the police report makes it clear that the tazer was used while alex was handcuffed and in custody. Use of any weapon against a person in custody is generally frowned uppon. Note that the report says the Tazer was used to stop him spitting .... or more accurately as revenge for being spat on. This is not appropriate use of any weapon a police officer has.

Posted by: ribt4t at February 8, 2004 10:03 PM

now we have three reasons to nuke florida:

1. republican cubans
2. florida cops
3. jeb bush

Posted by: geddyyz at February 9, 2004 05:00 PM

Note to PAUL PENSKE:
You obviously have a brain the size of an pinhead to make an insane comment like that.
Have you ever heard of the North American right " Innocent until proven guilty" ? We have courts and judges to determine if a person is guilty. Thankfully, we don't leave these decisions to uninformed idiots like you. It's authoritarian right wing mentalities like yours that gives America a bad name. 20 years in jail for this? Give your head a shake or better yet, get those redneck Naples cowboys to give you a few Tazer zaps to your head with hopes in expanding your minimal IQ.

Posted by: Rick Jones at February 11, 2004 10:45 AM

We all have the same problem, assume a stage or public persona is indicative of a person's real self. Every celebrity stalker has taken this to the extreme. I love the music but withhold judgement on right or wrong. good luck Alex

Posted by: wayne at February 14, 2004 01:47 PM

Replies ?

Posted by: paul penske at February 15, 2004 06:25 PM

Again I welcome all replies.

Posted by: paul penske at February 17, 2004 05:28 AM

Sure, you have issues.

Posted by: Buzzman at February 23, 2004 02:31 PM

Paul is an asshole...Simply put!!! Paul you are the reason that your tourism industry in Florida is going right in the shitter...Good job!!! But being an ignorant non-worldly Cat Diesel-Power Hat wearing stupid dumb-ass it doesn't suprise this Canadian (or any other country) tourist why we won't be coming back...Let me guess you will say "good". Unfortunately,your under educated mentality has'nt made you realise that just like all American industry (s) everything will be outsourced...Even tourism due to you representing law enforcement on a whole...Nice job, IGNORANT DUMB ASS!!!

I believe the real asshole here is Alex's son!!! and Paul...PRICK!!!!

Rush will be back!!!

Posted by: CA Toole at February 23, 2004 04:06 PM

Mr. Penske,

If you'll remember, I told you that I would allow you to continue posting if you could remain civil. You have again failed to do so, and your posting priveleges have now been revoked.

Posted by: Kriselda Jarnsaxa at February 25, 2004 06:27 PM

ATTENTION ALL RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF NAPLES, ATTENTION ALL RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF NAPLES, ATTENTION ALL RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF NAPLES, WE HAVE RESUMED CONTROL, WE HAVE RESUMED CONTROL, WE HAVE RESUMED CONTROL...........

Posted by: Courtney at February 29, 2004 08:00 PM

Rush wrote a song about people like Mr. Penske, it's called Witch Hunt from Moving Pictures, check it out Paul and pay close attention to the lyrics. Best of luck to you Alex.

Posted by: Alex M at March 10, 2004 12:57 AM

I have now seen the video ofAlex being interviewed by the media and if I were him I would not have answered (SP) any questions on camera out of fear of it being used against me by the Police in court.

Posted by: New World Man at March 12, 2004 05:57 PM

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