"Today, I call upon the Congress to promptly pass and to send to the states for ratification an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife."It's not often that a politician pisses me off so much that it actually makes my Tourette's ticks act up, but I'm twitching like crazy over here. I honestly do not understand how anyone can say that this is not an attempt to mix church and state in an unimaginable affront to the freedoms that America is supposed to provide her citizens!— President George W. Bush February 24, 2004
There simply are no valid secular arguments that support the idea that allowing gays to marry will cause anyone any harm. Saying that "society" defines marriage as the joining of a man and woman doesn't change the fact that the definition only exists because of the religious belief that homosexuality is an affront to one deity or another. There is simply no evidence that allowing gays to marry would have ANY effect at all on healthy heterosexual marriages.
If the conservative busybodies who are promoting this discriminatory - and unAmerican - agenda were truly concerned about the "sanctity" of marriage, they would be out there doing everything they could to eliminate the current causes of divorce.
Its kind of ironic that most of the people who wail about the "sanctity" of marriage being violated are the same people who seem to think it's good for society to have business trying to get every last minute of work it can out of its employees as cheaply as possible, without taking into account the toll that financial difficulties and/or working long hours can take on a marriage. How many marriages in America have been destroyed by one partner's effective absence because their company demanded that they work 60 hour work weeks or spend most of their time on the road, away from their families? How many have been destroyed by the financial upheaval that the last few years of constant job losses have created? I'll wager far more than have been destroyed by Vermont's civil unions law.
Adultery is another marriage killer that not only do the conservatives ignore as a legitimate social issue, but often engage in themselves. How often do we hear about one conservative leader or another who has engaged in extra-marital hanky panky, or who is on to a second, third or fourth wife? How many families in general have been destroyed because someone couldn't keep a promise they made - one typically made in a sacred ceremony?
And what's being done to combat other causes of marriage failures, such as alcoholism, drug abuse, gambling addictions or other compulsive behaviours? Anything? You'd think that those who are interested in preserving the alleged "sanctity" of marriage would have some interest in addressing those issues, but they don't. And domestic violence is another marriage killer (sometimes, sadly, in an all-too-literal sense) that they have little interest in combating.
The amount of sanctimonious bullshit that's being shoveled around on this issue is staggering. No one cares about preserving marriage, they just don't like gays and don't want to see any indication that gays actually have the same rights, needs, and desires that any of the rest of us do. Well, guys, here's the deal. You need to clean up your own houses before you tell someone how to maintain their own. If you want marriage to be sacred, get out there and start working to make business family-friendly, so that people are paid a fair wage and have adequate time to actually BE with their families. Work to make adultery socially unacceptable again. Work to help make sure that addicts and their family members can get the help they need to get the addiction under control before it breaks the family apart. Do everything you can to put an end to domestic abuse in this country. That's where the problems are - not in allowing gays to get married.
Posted by thorswitch at February 24, 2004 05:30 PM | TrackBackThey say that one of the leading causes of divorce is money. This of course can be traced to key issues like the ones you point out; lack of decent child care, health care, overwhelming debt because of declining wages and job insecurity. If they want to protect marraige they should address these issues that tear apart families and couples just to pad a few pockets.
I tried to post a response to your site but it would not let me due to 'questionable content'. There was not a single objectionable term in the post. However there were references to God, and faith as I tried to explain the foundations for the argument. After looking around the website, I noticed your affiliation and/or support of witchcraft , pagan worship and the ACLU. So no doubt the 'offensive' terms were those to 'Him'. If anyone wants to hear what I tried to post, emial me. I cut and pasted it to a Word doc.
I'm sorry you had a problem with leaving a post at my blog. The problem is likely due to some overly broad definitions that I have in my mt-blacklist because of the amount of "comment spam" (comments left for no reason other than to post links to commercial websites) that I've been getting. I thought I had cleared all of them back out when I was first alerted to the problem by another poster, but apparently I haven't gotten them all.
I assure you, though, none of the terms included would be religious terms. In looking around the site, you should have noticed that many other posters have left comments with terms related to Christianity and the Christian God with no problem at all.
Please feel free to send a copy of your comment to me by e-mail, and using that, I can go through the mt-blacklist and figure out what word IS causing the problem and correct it - after which I will gladly post your comment to this message, whether I agree with it or not.
"spritual"
Ask yourself this question: if I had to give up my child to be raised by one of two couples who's economic, spritual (if you care about that), moral and kindness levels were exactly the same - their only difference was that one couple was a man and woman and the other was a man and man (or woman and woman). Which couple would you want your child raised by? It seems simple to me that children are at a disadvantage being raised in fatherless or motherless households - which is already a huge problem as a result of rampant divorce. Elevating gay unions to the same level as non-gay ones is not rational. No one should be limiting financial rights to any stable couple however pretending homo. and hetero. relationships are of equal benefit to society is not a positive solution. This country needs to debate and vote on this issue, it cannot be left up to the whim of biased judges and a civil disobidient minority. I don't think the amendment will pass but I think it will elevate this issue to national debate instead putting us at the mercy of a minority that doesn't wish to justify itself - for that I thank our president.
Sorry about that last post. Apparently you cannot put the word "ho" + "mo" + "se" + "xual" in a post. HAHA...
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I made this point on another web site, but it bears repeating here.
The real question is why should anyone give a damn about two people of the same sex being recognized as married under the law? If that can't be answered without resorting to theology or morality based on religious principles, then it's illogical to even try and prevent gay marriage.
The problem is that the political desire to protect the "sanctity" of marriage is based entirely on moral principles, which are derived from Judeo-Christian teaching and mythology. Unless I'm mistaken, that is a clear violation of church and state.